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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Burma/China: Karma to be blamed? by Ashin Sopaka</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2008/06/16/burmachina-karma-to-be-blamed/#comment-26157</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashin Sopaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first notable thing is that the word kamma is not limited to just Buddhism, all Indian religions from Jainism to Hinduism and of course all the thought systems before the Buddha, used the concept of kamma/karma. However, this being a "Buddhist" site, the understanding automatically is interpreted in the light of Buddhism. Further reading on the website provided in Dave's post shows that this particular site is not Buddhist, so one could say, given that site's inclination (Hinduism? New Age?), then the definition of kamma is correct.

In Buddhism, however, kamma as defined by the Buddha is ONLY volitional action and the subsequent results of those actions. The disaster victim's volitional actions did not result in the happening of the disasters, only in their being in those specific locations at those specific times doing whatever it was they were doing, when the disasters occurred. Their kamma did not create the disasters.

The more profound and difficult part to understand, however, is that the subsequent feelings and responses to the disasters, are the results of kamma, but that is probably a topic for another, lengthier discussion.

with metta
Ashin Sopaka</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first notable thing is that the word kamma is not limited to just Buddhism, all Indian religions from Jainism to Hinduism and of course all the thought systems before the Buddha, used the concept of kamma/karma. However, this being a &#8220;Buddhist&#8221; site, the understanding automatically is interpreted in the light of Buddhism. Further reading on the website provided in Dave&#8217;s post shows that this particular site is not Buddhist, so one could say, given that site&#8217;s inclination (Hinduism? New Age?), then the definition of kamma is correct.</p>
<p>In Buddhism, however, kamma as defined by the Buddha is ONLY volitional action and the subsequent results of those actions. The disaster victim&#8217;s volitional actions did not result in the happening of the disasters, only in their being in those specific locations at those specific times doing whatever it was they were doing, when the disasters occurred. Their kamma did not create the disasters.</p>
<p>The more profound and difficult part to understand, however, is that the subsequent feelings and responses to the disasters, are the results of kamma, but that is probably a topic for another, lengthier discussion.</p>
<p>with metta<br />
Ashin Sopaka</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burma/China: Karma to be blamed? by kelvinw</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2008/06/16/burmachina-karma-to-be-blamed/#comment-26001</link>
		<dc:creator>kelvinw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dave,

Sorry to say that your "explanation" of karma and group karma sounds more like an instrument of godly intervention. Furthermore, the mixing up of partial understanding of various religions into a singular mixed-bag belief system and stories without factual and substantial evidence just doesn't make the grade as something credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dave,</p>
<p>Sorry to say that your &#8220;explanation&#8221; of karma and group karma sounds more like an instrument of godly intervention. Furthermore, the mixing up of partial understanding of various religions into a singular mixed-bag belief system and stories without factual and substantial evidence just doesn&#8217;t make the grade as something credible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burma/China: Karma to be blamed? by Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2008/06/16/burmachina-karma-to-be-blamed/#comment-25991</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post on karma. You may want to see more info on group karma at http://www.sentforlife.com/karma.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post on karma. You may want to see more info on group karma at <a href="http://www.sentforlife.com/karma.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sentforlife.com/karma.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the govt&#8217;s reason for 337A does not bite by Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/11/11/why-the-govts-reason-for-337a-does-not-bite/#comment-25927</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article. Perhaps you can give a citation report next time. Hahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. Perhaps you can give a citation report next time. Hahaha.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introducing Star Child by Otto Fong by hush</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2008/05/18/introducing-star-child-by-otto-fong/#comment-25872</link>
		<dc:creator>hush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 05:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oooh! love it!
thanks for the link Kelvin..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oooh! love it!<br />
thanks for the link Kelvin..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Protesting Monks and Nuns by Ashin Sopaka</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2008/04/21/of-protesting-monks-and-nuns/#comment-25827</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashin Sopaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Onlooker,

The generalisation about Burmese and Thais becoming monks is, well, rather general! While many do so because of economic reasons, there are many others who do so for merit, for education, because they were jilted, and many because they believe in the teachings of the Buddha and want to escape the bondage to this cycle of death and birth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Onlooker,</p>
<p>The generalisation about Burmese and Thais becoming monks is, well, rather general! While many do so because of economic reasons, there are many others who do so for merit, for education, because they were jilted, and many because they believe in the teachings of the Buddha and want to escape the bondage to this cycle of death and birth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Protesting Monks and Nuns by Onlooker</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2008/04/21/of-protesting-monks-and-nuns/#comment-25811</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First Situation for them becoming monk(esp burma and thai)
Buddhist temples have also acted as a sheltering place for those excess son that the low caste peasant can't afford to keep.
Political refugee too.

The fact they are monks show that they were not as well of as say someone from the city with connections.
You are quoting Ideal. And in a Ideal World, There is no murder, people do not have to flee the country because they are Chinese opera actor who were consider Royal lapdog or just because some one pi pan them using the red book. 
That why a lot of artist (Master class pottery,calligraphy,etc) left (for taiwan,singapore and Malaysia) By the way these are the true talents who contribute, Not the Trashy programmers they now export.
PS Buddha teach Benevolence and Compassion something that i haven't master too.
PPS
And I love Carrefour And spend a lot there. But I do not buy made in china anymore.I buy made in Taiwan. Even computer parts.
Quality not quantity counts in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Situation for them becoming monk(esp burma and thai)<br />
Buddhist temples have also acted as a sheltering place for those excess son that the low caste peasant can&#8217;t afford to keep.<br />
Political refugee too.</p>
<p>The fact they are monks show that they were not as well of as say someone from the city with connections.<br />
You are quoting Ideal. And in a Ideal World, There is no murder, people do not have to flee the country because they are Chinese opera actor who were consider Royal lapdog or just because some one pi pan them using the red book.<br />
That why a lot of artist (Master class pottery,calligraphy,etc) left (for taiwan,singapore and Malaysia) By the way these are the true talents who contribute, Not the Trashy programmers they now export.<br />
PS Buddha teach Benevolence and Compassion something that i haven&#8217;t master too.<br />
PPS<br />
And I love Carrefour And spend a lot there. But I do not buy made in china anymore.I buy made in Taiwan. Even computer parts.<br />
Quality not quantity counts in the end.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Protesting Monks and Nuns by Daily SG: 21 Apr 2008 &#171; The Singapore Daily</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2008/04/21/of-protesting-monks-and-nuns/#comment-25810</link>
		<dc:creator>Daily SG: 21 Apr 2008 &#171; The Singapore Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tibet - Salt * Wet * Fish: Of Protesting Monks and Nuns - The Daily Backtrack: More on Beijing - Hard Hitting in the Lion City: The Stupidity of the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Free Tibet: Romantisizing Shangri La by kelvinw</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2008/03/27/free-tibet-romantisizing-shangri-la/#comment-25798</link>
		<dc:creator>kelvinw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Siteocho,

Indeed whether its just 1 or 20000 people dying, its still deaths. My point is whether its correct for one to be dishonest and lie so that they can get the sympathy vote, even though it may be for a good cause. If so, then where do we stop? How do I know if someone, regardless of good intentions, is telling the truth or just manipulating our emotions anymore?

However, I do agree that China has not done a good job and are also a big culprit in spreading misinformation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Siteocho,</p>
<p>Indeed whether its just 1 or 20000 people dying, its still deaths. My point is whether its correct for one to be dishonest and lie so that they can get the sympathy vote, even though it may be for a good cause. If so, then where do we stop? How do I know if someone, regardless of good intentions, is telling the truth or just manipulating our emotions anymore?</p>
<p>However, I do agree that China has not done a good job and are also a big culprit in spreading misinformation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ST: Why S. Africa allowed same-sex marriage by Dan Reese</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2007/10/19/st-why-s-africa-allowed-same-sex-marriage/#comment-25796</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Reese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a really intense debate going on about this over at riled up: http://riledup.com/debate/303/should-gay-people-have-the-same-right-to-marriage-as-straight-people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a really intense debate going on about this over at riled up: <a href="http://riledup.com/debate/303/should-gay-people-have-the-same-right-to-marriage-as-straight-people" rel="nofollow">http://riledup.com/debate/303/should-gay-people-have-the-same-right-to-marriage-as-straight-people</a></p>
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