Comments on: Accepting the Thief as the Father http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/07/24/accepting-the-thief-as-the-father/ Fishing for more thoughts... Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:18:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Kai http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/07/24/accepting-the-thief-as-the-father/#comment-4159 Kai Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:03:36 +0000 http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/posts/220#comment-4159 Christianity has a few too: Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Gentleness, Goodness, Kindness, Faithfulness, Self control. These are the fruits of God. Christianity has a few too: Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Gentleness, Goodness, Kindness, Faithfulness, Self control. These are the fruits of God.

]]> By: kelvinw http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/07/24/accepting-the-thief-as-the-father/#comment-3863 kelvinw Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:08:24 +0000 http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/posts/220#comment-3863 That is why its important for religious teachings to have "first principles", in case anyone starts claiming something they believe in is truth and correct. That "first principles" can be used to determine how to interpret that particular action correctly with the teachings. Buddhism have a few: Kalama sutta, harm/no harm, greed/aversions/ignorance, Sutta of the poisonous snake, etc. In fact the 4 noble truths themselves are some sort of first principles... if all fails, use the 4 noble truths to verify against the truth. That is why its important for religious teachings to have “first principles”, in case anyone starts claiming something they believe in is truth and correct. That “first principles” can be used to determine how to interpret that particular action correctly with the teachings.

Buddhism have a few: Kalama sutta, harm/no harm, greed/aversions/ignorance, Sutta of the poisonous snake, etc. In fact the 4 noble truths themselves are some sort of first principles… if all fails, use the 4 noble truths to verify against the truth.

]]> By: Eileena Lee http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/07/24/accepting-the-thief-as-the-father/#comment-3844 Eileena Lee Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:18:01 +0000 http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/posts/220#comment-3844 The dangerous part is when the human being thinks that he/she have 'his or her' God on their side. Human egoes take over and in their own minds they are a class above the 'non-believers' and believers because 'God' is on their side, theirs is the absolute truth. The scary and dangerous part is, because of our egoes, we are all vulnerable to that. I guess the quote below aptly describes the atrocities and sufferings human beings have imposed on each other over time. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal The dangerous part is when the human being thinks that he/she have ‘his or her’ God on their side.
Human egoes take over and in their own minds they are a class above the ‘non-believers’ and believers because ‘God’ is on their side, theirs is the absolute truth.
The scary and dangerous part is, because of our egoes, we are all vulnerable to that.

I guess the quote below aptly describes the atrocities and sufferings human beings have imposed on each other over time.

“Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.”
Blaise Pascal

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