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	<title>Comments on: The Dalai Lama, the Pope &#038; monkly mistakes</title>
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		<title>By: :-D</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/05/22/the-dalai-lama-the-pope-monkly-mistakes/#comment-4085</link>
		<dc:creator>:-D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, I don't think the passages that I quoted from "Romans 14" are literally about food, i.e. eating and drinking but instead, of tolerance, respect and love for one another, regardless of our differences.  This is not incompatible with the Buddhist philosophy and worldview.  Many things written in the Bible are also not meant to be taken literally, i.e. they are "parables".  Perhaps not in the same vein as Zen "koans", discerning the underlying meaning of parables nevertheless requires, amongst other things, a measure of faith, introspection and spiritual growth that is again, not unlike one seeking enlightenment.  

And also, contrary to what has been taken literally from some of its pages (and used regrettably by fundamentalists to further their own personal agendas of fear, guilt and hate), I believe that the central and abiding message of the Bible is of one of selfless love, of God and neighbour, that enables us to transcend the pain and suffering of our own mortality.  

:-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, I don&#8217;t think the passages that I quoted from &#8220;Romans 14&#8243; are literally about food, i.e. eating and drinking but instead, of tolerance, respect and love for one another, regardless of our differences.  This is not incompatible with the Buddhist philosophy and worldview.  Many things written in the Bible are also not meant to be taken literally, i.e. they are &#8220;parables&#8221;.  Perhaps not in the same vein as Zen &#8220;koans&#8221;, discerning the underlying meaning of parables nevertheless requires, amongst other things, a measure of faith, introspection and spiritual growth that is again, not unlike one seeking enlightenment.  </p>
<p>And also, contrary to what has been taken literally from some of its pages (and used regrettably by fundamentalists to further their own personal agendas of fear, guilt and hate), I believe that the central and abiding message of the Bible is of one of selfless love, of God and neighbour, that enables us to transcend the pain and suffering of our own mortality.  </p>
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		<title>By: Hsiao Shuang</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/05/22/the-dalai-lama-the-pope-monkly-mistakes/#comment-4083</link>
		<dc:creator>Hsiao Shuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above rather windy passage quoted by :-D, on food and eating is taken from this chap called "Saint Paul" who wrote a lot of letters where he set forth his own loud dogma of Christ's teachings. Whether his dogma tallied with Christ's actual teaching no one knows for sure, since the chap wasn't around when Christ was physically teaching -- he claimed though that he did meet Christ, albeit transfiguratively, on the road to Damascus.

The last part where Paul condemned anyone who has a lack of faith contradicts the earlier part where this chap says we shouldn't judge or condemn anyone. Also, it doesn't sound quite saintly, though, coming from a man with a "saint" in his honorific.

By the way, I don't think we should just eat anything that is edible. As a Chinese, I know the awful attitude of many Chinese who will cook and eat anything that moves, whether it's a pig or puppy, a snake or a centipede.

There is a sickening practice of almost all Chinese restaurants keeping tanks of live fish, lobsters, crabs, shrimps and frogs. Customers go to the restaurant, pick the live creatures that they want, and the creatures are then scooped up and thrown into a heated wok to be cooked alive so as to provide absolutely fresh meat.

My young son was so distressed by what he saw in the restaurants that he eventually became a vegetarian. Personally I think a diet of purely plant food is the healthiest, considering how tough, agile and strong are those vegetarians in nature -- the elephant, rhino, hippo, horse, buffalo, deer, giraffe, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above rather windy passage quoted by :-D, on food and eating is taken from this chap called &#8220;Saint Paul&#8221; who wrote a lot of letters where he set forth his own loud dogma of Christ&#8217;s teachings. Whether his dogma tallied with Christ&#8217;s actual teaching no one knows for sure, since the chap wasn&#8217;t around when Christ was physically teaching &#8212; he claimed though that he did meet Christ, albeit transfiguratively, on the road to Damascus.</p>
<p>The last part where Paul condemned anyone who has a lack of faith contradicts the earlier part where this chap says we shouldn&#8217;t judge or condemn anyone. Also, it doesn&#8217;t sound quite saintly, though, coming from a man with a &#8220;saint&#8221; in his honorific.</p>
<p>By the way, I don&#8217;t think we should just eat anything that is edible. As a Chinese, I know the awful attitude of many Chinese who will cook and eat anything that moves, whether it&#8217;s a pig or puppy, a snake or a centipede.</p>
<p>There is a sickening practice of almost all Chinese restaurants keeping tanks of live fish, lobsters, crabs, shrimps and frogs. Customers go to the restaurant, pick the live creatures that they want, and the creatures are then scooped up and thrown into a heated wok to be cooked alive so as to provide absolutely fresh meat.</p>
<p>My young son was so distressed by what he saw in the restaurants that he eventually became a vegetarian. Personally I think a diet of purely plant food is the healthiest, considering how tough, agile and strong are those vegetarians in nature &#8212; the elephant, rhino, hippo, horse, buffalo, deer, giraffe, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: :-D</title>
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		<dc:creator>:-D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.
One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.

So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling-block or obstacle in your brother's way.

...I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.
If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother...
Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness...
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.
But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

:-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.<br />
One man&#8217;s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.<br />
The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.<br />
Who are you to judge someone else&#8217;s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.<br />
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.<br />
He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.</p>
<p>You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God&#8217;s judgment seat.</p>
<p>So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.<br />
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling-block or obstacle in your brother&#8217;s way.</p>
<p>&#8230;I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.<br />
If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother&#8230;<br />
Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.<br />
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness&#8230;<br />
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.<br />
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.<br />
It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.<br />
So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.<br />
But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.</p>
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		<title>By: kelvinw</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/05/22/the-dalai-lama-the-pope-monkly-mistakes/#comment-2852</link>
		<dc:creator>kelvinw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Viriya,

Yes, I still remember you. I hope that you are doing well in Perak. Perhaps we can meet up if I make a holiday trip to Perak next time. I thought you are still on the Heartland email list? 

Glad to know that with the Internet, everyone can attend and hear Ajahn Brahm's talk anytime and anywhere.

Metta
Kelvin Wong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Viriya,</p>
<p>Yes, I still remember you. I hope that you are doing well in Perak. Perhaps we can meet up if I make a holiday trip to Perak next time. I thought you are still on the Heartland email list? </p>
<p>Glad to know that with the Internet, everyone can attend and hear Ajahn Brahm&#8217;s talk anytime and anywhere.</p>
<p>Metta<br />
Kelvin Wong</p>
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		<title>By: Viriya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viriya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya I am still in my hometown Kampar Perak
Ajahn Brahm is my favorite and try to listen to his talk online in the net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya I am still in my hometown Kampar Perak<br />
Ajahn Brahm is my favorite and try to listen to his talk online in the net</p>
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		<title>By: Hsiao Shuang</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/05/22/the-dalai-lama-the-pope-monkly-mistakes/#comment-2848</link>
		<dc:creator>Hsiao Shuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Viriya,

Are you still living in Perak, or moved elsewhere? 

I know for a fact that Buddhism meditation practice, especially Burmese-based Vipassana, is very active and vigorous in Malaysia. I follow the Vipassana approach although I believe all forms of Buddhism are correct. After all, in the Lotus Sutra, Buddha says there are 84,000 expedient means to lead us, poor creatures, to enlightenment.

There's no mention of sexual preferences as far as I can remember of my own reading of the sutras.

In fact, the key advice is to refrain from sexual misconduct which is usually taken to be having a relationship with another person's spouse.

Last Thursday (June 1), Ajahn Brahm was in Singapore giving a talk on "What is Enlightenment", a most enlightening talk indeed. His key point can be summarised thus:

"Just keep two precepts -- not doing harm to another being, and not doing harm to oneself.

"By refraining from doing anything in thought or conduct that will result in harm or hurt (whether to another living being or to oneself), we help to create more happiness.

"The precepts are there for happiness, and people who actually keep the precepts are happy people."

I couldn't agree more with Ajahn Bhram on this.

Hsiaoshuang (Francis Chin)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Viriya,</p>
<p>Are you still living in Perak, or moved elsewhere? </p>
<p>I know for a fact that Buddhism meditation practice, especially Burmese-based Vipassana, is very active and vigorous in Malaysia. I follow the Vipassana approach although I believe all forms of Buddhism are correct. After all, in the Lotus Sutra, Buddha says there are 84,000 expedient means to lead us, poor creatures, to enlightenment.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no mention of sexual preferences as far as I can remember of my own reading of the sutras.</p>
<p>In fact, the key advice is to refrain from sexual misconduct which is usually taken to be having a relationship with another person&#8217;s spouse.</p>
<p>Last Thursday (June 1), Ajahn Brahm was in Singapore giving a talk on &#8220;What is Enlightenment&#8221;, a most enlightening talk indeed. His key point can be summarised thus:</p>
<p>&#8220;Just keep two precepts &#8212; not doing harm to another being, and not doing harm to oneself.</p>
<p>&#8220;By refraining from doing anything in thought or conduct that will result in harm or hurt (whether to another living being or to oneself), we help to create more happiness.</p>
<p>&#8220;The precepts are there for happiness, and people who actually keep the precepts are happy people.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with Ajahn Bhram on this.</p>
<p>Hsiaoshuang (Francis Chin)</p>
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		<title>By: Viriya</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/05/22/the-dalai-lama-the-pope-monkly-mistakes/#comment-2843</link>
		<dc:creator>Viriya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi
Love ur blog , found out by accident.
Actually we wrote to each other before long ago
I am the guy who live in a small town in Perak
A gay buddhist too, remember me? I think I use the nick name Nge Jung then which of course is a tibetan word although I am closer to theravada buddhism.
Keep up the good work and would share some of ur writings with my friends.
Viriya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
Love ur blog , found out by accident.<br />
Actually we wrote to each other before long ago<br />
I am the guy who live in a small town in Perak<br />
A gay buddhist too, remember me? I think I use the nick name Nge Jung then which of course is a tibetan word although I am closer to theravada buddhism.<br />
Keep up the good work and would share some of ur writings with my friends.<br />
Viriya</p>
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		<title>By: Hsiao Shuang</title>
		<link>http://www.saltwetfish.net/journal/2006/05/22/the-dalai-lama-the-pope-monkly-mistakes/#comment-2788</link>
		<dc:creator>Hsiao Shuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 09:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's true that the Dalai Lama does not necessarily speak for all Buddhists. However, because of his courage and compassion, many of us, Buddhists and non-Buddhists, look to him for moral leadership and guidance.

Personally, whether it's the Dalai Lama or Ajahn Brahm, I think they are all men who have given their lives to the Dharma, and for that we should be deeply grateful. The Buddha is not physically with us, but thankfully we have such leaders who are willing to teach and propagate the Dharma and share their insight. Sure, there may be an occasional difference on a point of view, but we lay people should concentrate on only the essential Dharma. 

In Buddha's days, people used to pester him with all kinds of questions. As long as these questions are not related to the essential teaching of the Four Noble Truths, he refused to waste his time answering them. Life is short.

Hsiao Shuang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that the Dalai Lama does not necessarily speak for all Buddhists. However, because of his courage and compassion, many of us, Buddhists and non-Buddhists, look to him for moral leadership and guidance.</p>
<p>Personally, whether it&#8217;s the Dalai Lama or Ajahn Brahm, I think they are all men who have given their lives to the Dharma, and for that we should be deeply grateful. The Buddha is not physically with us, but thankfully we have such leaders who are willing to teach and propagate the Dharma and share their insight. Sure, there may be an occasional difference on a point of view, but we lay people should concentrate on only the essential Dharma. </p>
<p>In Buddha&#8217;s days, people used to pester him with all kinds of questions. As long as these questions are not related to the essential teaching of the Four Noble Truths, he refused to waste his time answering them. Life is short.</p>
<p>Hsiao Shuang</p>
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		<title>By: kelvinw</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelvinw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 17:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that the Dalai Lama do help to increase the profile of Buddhism in the world stage and gave it prominence. With it, sometimes, whatever he says is also given the same prominence on the world stage, good or bad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that the Dalai Lama do help to increase the profile of Buddhism in the world stage and gave it prominence. With it, sometimes, whatever he says is also given the same prominence on the world stage, good or bad!</p>
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		<title>By: Vayira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vayira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 23:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see your point of view. It can get a bit tedious the way the media seems to treat the DL like a Pope. Although on the other hand he generally gives a good image to Buddhism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see your point of view. It can get a bit tedious the way the media seems to treat the DL like a Pope. Although on the other hand he generally gives a good image to Buddhism.</p>
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